We speak first with Adrienne Buller of the progressive UK think tank Common Wealth, whose book The Value of a Whale: On The Illusions of Green Capitalism is a critique of market-based approaches to solving the climate crisis. Buller shows how bad economic thinking has allowed corporations and governments to embrace plans that appear to address climate change but in fact do almost nothing. Next, we speak to Prof. Aviva Chomsky of Salem State University, author of Is Science Enough? Forty Critical Questions About Climate Justice Prof. Chomsky takes the position that conversations about The Science often overlook important issues of justice, and the political and economic changes that will be necessary to prevent the worst suffering from climate change. She goes through proposed policy responses to the situation and shows what it will actually take to respond effectively and prevent the problem from spiraling out of control.