Very interesting conversation about a pivotal moment in U.S. history. This horrific fire fueled the first major domestic policy changes of 20th Century, all enacted during the New Deal. And until 9/11, this was the most devastating largescale NY City tragedy on record. It's timely for that reason and because of the current administration's attempts to retract so much of what the New Deal accomplished. That it's a phoner is unfortunate, despite being well-recorded, just because of the grating-ness of phone line recording. Vogel asks good questions and allows the author to fully answer without jumping in to move him along, and that's a good thing. sl